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Ooooohhhweeee, Pals! Do we have something special for you today. At the end of May, �����ԹϺ��� threw the second annual �����ԹϺ��� Festival in Denver. It's been called the South By Southwest of the outdoors. Think brand booths and activations, a film festival, insane music acts like Khruangbin, Lord Huron, Trampled By Turtles, Sylvan Esso, Neal Francis, and more. Plus, in an extra special corner of the festival grounds was the Ideas Program, a daily stream of thoughtful and thought-povoking panel discussions. We're going to be sharing some of those conversations here on the podcast over the next few weeks. And we're starting today with a panel I moderated, or rather tried to while three hilarious outdoor comedians - Stand Up comic Eeland Stribling, Instagram and TikTok phenomenon Matt Lyons, and outdoor comedy multi-hyphenate [00:01:00] Katie Burrell, all cracked jokes and helped us all take our outdoorsy selves a little less seriously. But that's all the introduction I'm gonna give ya, since my friend Sierra gave us all a pretty good one from the festival stage.

MUSIC IN THE CLEAR

Alright, welcome everybody to the final and probably most memorable session of the outside festivals ideas program. I'm Sierra Schaeffer, I'm the editorial Director of Lifestyle at �����ԹϺ���, and I'm here to introduce what will probably be the only session where we will encourage you to laugh at the speakers.

, Because really what is the outdoor industry, if not an endless source of comedy? We all are people that spend hundreds of dollars to sleep on the ground. , You'll meet a lot of people probably this weekend that treat using duct tape like a personality trait, and we still delusively think we're gonna meet someone on a chairlift that has health insurance.

This next session proves that outdoor comedy is not only alive, it's thriving, whether it's ski town [00:02:00] satire, fly fishing punchlines, or the fine art of accidentally oversharing in a hut trip full of strangers. These folks are here to remind us that if you can't laugh at yourself in the outdoors, you're probably dehydrated.

So before we bring them out, we've got a quick reel from one of tonight's panelists, comedy creator Matt Lyons, to set the mood. So please enjoy.

Matt: How you doing? Beer stat. Nice to meet you. Welcome to my gear room slash closet. Just heading down to the outside festival in a few so. Getting my kit together, I wanna stand out in the crowd while showing off the belt buckle I got from the ultra I ran last month.

So I'm debating between tucking the front end of this ambiguous alpine tee into either these sand colored khakis or a pair of ripstop pants with knee patches. Would hate for people to assume I go on runs shorter than 50 miles. Now for a festival like this similar to my FKT attempt on the Colorado Trail, it's all about preparation.

That's why I picked up a neon colored pack that makes it look like I'm on a trek to Everest Base Camp helps me stash some [00:03:00] gel packets and a few of my homemade chocolate bliss balls 'cause. At this point, I'm planning on burning about 1500 calories jamming to Khruangbin. I will say I'm torn between going barefoot so people can see my Chaco tan lines or rocking these maximalist running shoes that are so bright.

They'll burn your retinas if you look at them for too long. Don't even worry though. I did see there's a bouldering wall, so you already know. I will be strapping a pair of climbing shoes that are six sizes too small to my belt loop. I should have time to flash a route between downing a locally sourced chicken sando.

I. And refilling my reusable metal pint cup with craft beer. We'll see out there, dude.

Sierra: All right. And with that, please welcome your moderator, writer, producer, host of the outside podcast, and probably the only man dumb enough to wrangle this crew. Paddy O'Connell,

Paddy: you can call me PaddyO. Welcome to "Outdoor Comedy Is Not A Joke!" And please welcome to the stage Eeland Stribling, Katie Burrell and Matt [00:04:00] Lyons.

Also, please give it up for Matt who has been wearing this air cast. It seems like a bit, but it is not a bit. Do you want to tell everybody how you got your booboo? I am

Matt: happy to, and to be honest, it's more for sympathy at this point. The bone is fully healed, but. I could always go for a little extra support and mental support out there at the festival.

So I broke it, uh, about five and a half weeks ago, walking, uh, on a sidewalk, not hiking. And I know you guys have been

Paddy: hanging out with like a bunch of really talented pro athletes, but the real athletes are here today with an air cast on. Do you know how difficult it is to do the hippie sway to music at a festival while you have an air cast on.

Matt: It's not easy.

Paddy: , Katie, we wanna, everybody wants to know, since you are the only woman on this panel, we have to ask the [00:05:00] obvious,

why aren't dudes funny?

Katie: Men are funny. I, I think men are funny. Like you were,

Paddy: we're really gonna unpack the patriarchy here today, folks.

Katie: You are like a hilarious outfit on stage. That was a really funny bit. Um, costumes. That's hilarious. Yeah, no, men are really funny.

Paddy: You can tell by the laughter.

Katie: Yeah.

Matt: My video got like four laughs I'd say. That's pretty funny. Yeah. Crushing

Paddy: elan. Shut up. Um, Katie, you've gained a huge following online by uh, okay. Lighting up, outdoor stereotypes.

Katie: Are we saying a hundred thousand followers is huge these days? Yeah.

Paddy: Yeah.

Katie: I don't think so.

Paddy: Okay. Katie, you have a mediocre thank you.

Following Thank you online, which is why we've invited you here today. Yeah. To be with us.

Katie: I'm a micro influencer. Micro, micro comedian, and micro. What's your question?

Paddy: Before you did that, [00:06:00] we are gonna get so unhinged. You guys have no idea. Uh, before you did that, you did stand up for about a decade, but you say that you got into it.

Uh, in a, she's all that type of moment.

Katie: What's your question?

Eeland: Yeah. Why didn't you come up here and do standup then? Have you been doing it for a bit? Nobody asked me. Oh my God.

Paddy: It's like I'm not even here.

Katie: Sorry. Yeah. Did you not enjoy having the wrapped attention of these people for 10 minutes?

Eeland: Okay, finish your question.

Sorry, PaddyO. Sorry.

Katie: Are you okay?

Paddy: So you got into comedy.

Katie: I got into comedy

Paddy: A She's All that moment. Explain what that means.

Katie: Well, uh, I mean, I got really hot is the point. No, um, has everyone, has anyone seen, she's all that she like takes off her glasses and she is, I can't even really remember. I actually don't even know why.

It's a comparison to she's all that. However, the reason I got into standup was because I had a crush on a guy. Lame. I know the worst, reluctant [00:07:00] heterosexual here. Um. And he was a comedian and he took me to a show and I thought it was a date, like fully thought it was a date. And I don't think he thought it was a date, but that's fine.

Um, and, and he did his five minutes, adorable five minute bit. And I watched it and was like, I feel like I could do that. And I could pro I, yeah, I feel like that wasn't even that funny. So, but I still liked him because, um, that's, we are caregivers as women. Um, and

Paddy: thank you for your service. Thank you so much.

Katie: So anyway, I said to him after the, on the outing, um, I, I would love to try that. And he said, you can't just try, you can't just do that. You can't just do standup. You can't just like try, you have to like. Hate yourself for like years and like write material that you like hate and then like rewrite it and then like workshop it and then like hate it.

And then like realize what a loser you are and like why your dad is never gonna be proud of you. [00:08:00] And then you can try it and then you really start to learn how to do standup. And I was like, okay. Um, and then I did it. Um, and I was definitely funnier than him. Um. Yeah. I don't know how many more de we did sleep together once, but, uh, thank you.

Thank you.

Paddy: And here he is.

Katie: One time. One time. Just the one time.

Eeland: Bring him all time. Some of you looked

Maury! okay.

Katie: It's a thing though. Men, like, guys, like girls that are good at the thing. They like, it's a very, it's a thing. I'm not gonna name names or point anyone out, but

Paddy: Okay.

Katie: Yeah,

Paddy: so hard segue from that, Eeland.

Did you have a similar teenage romantic comedy entry into, uh, standup or, uh, was yours influenced by something else?

Eeland: No, I just, I just like making, I just like making people laugh. I like being silly. Uh, I like making my [00:09:00] mom laugh, even though she's a bad person. As some of you you saw? Um, yeah, I just, I just like being silly.

There's no like, long answer. I just, I like making people laugh. That's it.

Paddy: But you do have one specific family event that you were like, oh, funny people in my family, I do dig this. Right? It was kind of a sad moment, and then somebody pointed something out and you were like, I like this.

Katie: This was in the email.

Paddy: This was in, this is why you read the email. I've read the email before. Email.

Eeland: Yo. One time at Thanksgiving. Uh, my, I was in middle school, and this isn't the same story, but this is another one.

Paddy: Cool. I'm glad we did that. Prep phone call.

Eeland: Uh, my, one of my friends gave me a, a, I was in middle school, gave me a magnum condom, right?

And so I put it in my, my little school wallet. And so I forgot about it. And then Thanksgiving, all my cousins are there. And they're like, oh, Eeland, I heard you got a new school id. And I was like, yeah, let me show you. So I pull out my wallet. Oh

Paddy: no. Oh no.

Eeland: And then I'm in eighth grade and a Magnum condom falls onto the floor.

And I, my uncles, I was, I've, I'm the king of my family. Like my uncles are like, yes. [00:10:00] And all my aunt and my mom were like, no.

It was like a, it was like a dance battle was about to break out. Uh, and I remember, I remember being like, this is tight. I like this energy, this conflicting pain. And then all my cousins made fun of me for years, and it made, it like, made me tough.

Like all my cousins are very funny. And so like, they just poked fun. So like, makes you tough. So come, you know, I, I come from a family of really, really funny, really, really funny people.

Paddy: Matt, you never dropped condoms on the ground to get your first laugh, but

Matt: you don't know that. Come on. You don't know me.

Paddy: Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. But you do, uh, you've told me that you have a, uh, uh, kind of a language of humor with your friend group. Right, and that's kind of the common denominator. That's like the entry into the group. And actually humor is how you got through the pandemic, right?

Tell me about that.

Matt: Yeah. Uh, so 2020, I started putting content, content out online. First of all, I've never done standup. That's one of the [00:11:00] biggest fears of my life, is getting in front of a crowd of people. So, you okay, here we are.

Paddy: But give Matt, would you give Matt a nice, like warm hug of a clap? Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: I feel so cozy right now.

Paddy: He's injured, he's nervous.

You can't see it. He's sweating profusely. Get him a gatorade .

Matt: Antiperspirant was clutch. I'll give it that. But no, I, I started posting content, uh, around 2020, right during the pandemic. I had just gotten off the Appalachian Trail and I lived with one of the guys I was hiking with and we were pretty much eating our meals with like a spork out of a freeze dried bag when we had a full of kit, a full kitchen full of silverware, plates, bowls.

We kind of chose the trail life, the hiker trash lifestyle. Even in society. And so, uh, that kind of carried over from the trail. And so I started making content. , From those experiences we would kind of just riff back and forth about life on the trail and those turned into comedy videos online. [00:12:00] And so that kind of transitioned into where I am today and making, making characters right.

Pretty much about myself and the

Paddy: Yeah, right, like the pandemic. Happens, you're starting to post online, things kind of blow up for you online and you have this, uh, uh, you know, I would say that observational humor and your jargon goes through the roof. You poke fun lovingly at the outdoor community. But how are you sourcing that?, Do you have like a little, like stand and a notebook that you set up at trail heads and you ask people to come over

Matt: Yeah, I've been trying to conceal it the past day and a half, but I do have a notebook in my back pocket that I'm taking vigorous notes on.

Paddy: All of you are gonna be subject matters in the next.

Matt: I've been posting up in the health and wellness section, just writing stuff down. It's been

Chugging Muscle Milk.

Paddy: If you brought a sound bowl into the festival, you were about to get lit up.

Matt: No, it's mainly about myself. Like I said, I feel like 90% of the videos are self-deprecating. And it's stuff that I have in my own closet. Otherwise [00:13:00] I wouldn't be able to make the videos. The props are half the video and I've got a closet full of them, so Right.

That just goes to show you where half of the info comes from, is myself. Right.

Katie: This isn't gear, it's props.

Paddy: It's the man in the mirror. Really.

Matt: I've got an ice ax that I've never used. It's just for a video.

Paddy: Katie, you're uh, in a similar vein. You have observational humor. You notice things kind of out on the trail and then come back home, kind of flesh it out with your writing team.

Is that your process?

Katie: Team is generous. Um,

Paddy: I was talking about like your multiple personalities.

Katie: Sure. Are you shaming me?

Paddy: No, not at all. Not at all. Oh God. Kind of mental health. Oh God, I don't wanna get canceled. God,

Katie: is there a mental health person on set, uh, in the room? Um, triggered. Uh,

so yeah, that didn't take long Paddy. Jesus. I, um, my process, my [00:14:00] process. Okay, so the first, I guess I do like a toxic girlfriend bit, which maybe some of you have seen and cool. A lot of toxic girlfriends in the room.

Paddy: Props also. Yeah. Oh God. You're

Katie: welcome to, to the boyfriends who are like, see you're kind of like this yeah.

Matt: Toxic summer.

Katie: Yeah. You, you, I've like actually had messages from men being boys. It actually works for all relationships, but. The one that's better, uh, saying, um, thank you. Because today my girlfriend was having a meltdown and I was like, you're kind of being a little bit like Katie, like a Katie Brown video right now.

And she was like, yeah, that's actually kind of true. So, um, but no, I think the, the first bit of that toxic girlfriend came from, um, my boyfriend. He and I were friends for a long time, like a year. Um,[00:15:00]

he, yeah, he had probably had a crush on me the whole time. I was like, what? Like, um, and then we drank. Yeah. And we would go biking all the time. He's a very good biker. Very good biker, but he always wanted to bike with me, not that good of a biker. Um, borderline like, yeah, I've exercised induced asthma.

That's a real thing. Uh, it's not just being outta shape. So I, he was always wanting to bike with me. I found that surprising. And then we slept toge, well, we drank 48 pilsners and, and then slept together. Um, which is, if you're, yeah, not inducing that amount of, or encouraging, but it does work if you are here with a friend, um, but that you have a crush on, that's one way to do it.

So, and then the follow the following week, um, af after sex.

Paddy: It took a week.

Katie: The aftercare or no,

Paddy: I, the activity,

Katie: sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. No, it took, they, I [00:16:00] cleared out the guys with the backpacks. Good, good. Go climbing. Yeah.

Eeland: Oh God, no. They're going to the liquor store to get 48 Pilsners whatcha talking about.

They're like, yo, this is all the info we needed. We gotta get outta here now.

Paddy: I was told to use, uh, hashtag aftercare at checkout to get. Uh, forties for free. Is that? Oh my God.

Katie: So anyway, when we were biking as friends, I was like, so chill. Um, and then we, and then after the event, um, we were biking and he was just all of a sudden going so fast and I was like, oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't realize you got into Crank Works this year. And I just went full. I was like, full of rage.

Paddy: Yeah.

Katie: Out of nowhere. And it was like the whole ride, it was pissing me off that he wasn't like taking care of me. And then I got home and was like, that's unfortunately a bit. And then that's that. That was the first, first toxic girlfriend bit, was that.

So [00:17:00] me, I am Katie, the original toxic girlfriend.

Paddy: So Katie's process is, she sleeps with someone she's friends with and then it turns into a bit. Just like this. Please roll the Katie Burrell reel.

Katie: You said you wanted a day night ride, so I don't, I don't know. Yeah, let's go shuttling then. I hate it here too.

It's too easy. Like when do you wanna start thinking about talking about having babies? You were like, I just want like kids I can like share my lifestyle with. I'm like, yeah, well, I don't know. A baby like smashes 12 beers and goes sledding. Oh, there you are. Are you having a nice time riding your bike by yourself?

Okay. You ready for your big moment? Teach me how to ride down a rock slab. How is that not a rock slab? Feathering my brakes. Look at me. Go. Yeah, I know. I just did it. I just did it. Well, what you think you sound like is like, oh, do you need a break? Like you care. But what you actually sound like is like, oh, I need a break.

Like you fricking loser. You kind of slow. You need a girlfriend. This one sucks. I feel like your father wound is showing up right now. Oh, nice. You picked another trail. I can walk my bike up. It's not easy for everybody. You can't look cute in 11 inch inseam [00:18:00] shorts. I don't know why anyone would make shorts that long.

I was looking ahead. You and your teachable moments just made me fall in a river. It's not a creek, it's a river. I would know. I am in it. This is the wettest I been since we started. I quit.

Paddy: Oh my God. Oh,

so, um, Eeland, do you also sleep with people and then come up with bits or. What is your process? You, you've kind of told me that you, uh, you'll go out, uh, you're fishing with a buddy and you're just in the random course of conversation. You notice when you make your buddy laugh, and then you will stop fishing and write down what you've noticed and then flesh it out back at home.

Right?

Eeland: Yeah. I, I like, I, my friends, my fa hold up my, they're trying to silence me. Um, my friends, I.

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Hey, [00:19:00] pals. PaddyO here. There are a couple of sight gags in the next few moments that I'll need to explain so you can join in on the laughter. Right here, Eeland's mic started to cut out soooo, he being the quick witted human he is, raised a Black Power Fist.

Oh my God. I want somebody to complain about that. Why dare you? I, uh, my friend.

Paddy: Is there like a NC 17 rating on that? Like what happened to us?

Eeland: My, uh, my, my friends and my family, uh, are all super funny, so if I can, if I'm making them laugh and I'm like. Yeah, something here is like good, like we're having conversation.

That's my like, style of comedy, like conversational. Uh, and so I was like joking with my friend, um, Holden one time, and we were on the River Uhhuh, um, and we were just talking about like dating and marriage and I just had this thought of like, when, when I, I, I genuinely think when I. When a, when a man proposes to a woman and she like covers her mouth, most people think she's going like, oh my God.

Like, yay. [00:20:00] Like, oh my, oh, you didn't what? But I think women are like, I got you. Like they're, they, they're covering their mouth to hide the secrets that they've been like, I see. Look, they're doing it again. They, that's it. So I, yeah, I, I do, I do ride a lot on the river just 'cause it's like a place to, to, there's not much happening besides fishing.

So.

Paddy: Well, I would love to read the note that became this reel. Please roll Eeland's reel.

Eeland: The fishing is tough today, dog. Like the, the trout just aren't biting. They're not eating anything. I've tried everything You said you tried everything. I mean everything. Yeah, bro. I've tried everything. Dries, NIMS streamers.

You just gotta give them to eat, bro. You gotta trick 'em. You gotta entice the fish. You gotta make 'em want it. I mean like, really? Want it. You gotta make the fish want it, bro. I haven't called anything, so I guess I'll give it a [00:21:00] try.

PADDYO VO:

Ok, friends. Eeland used 90s R&B hit "Pony" by Ginuwine in his reel and we don't have the rights to use that song here. Because that song is very famous. It also very famously references sexy time bedroom gymnastics...which makes Eeland's gyrating on top of a river and rocks in fly fishing waders all the more hilarious. He also spanks a fish on its lil fish butt.

Paddy: Yeah. I have so many follow up questions first,

Katie: so we have the [00:22:00] same process.

Paddy: Dude. Chef's kiss. Chef's kiss. Thanks for coming out, everybody. Just kidding. So first, uh, do you care to recreate any of that on stage right now? Absolutely not. That'll be it, Lord Huron, later tonight when the lights go down.

Eeland: Can I just say, I, I was, I had the idea, I was like. Make the fish want and like entice the fish.

And then I was filming that. I just propped the phone up with like a rock and I was fishing on this river and cars kept coming by. So I would, I was like watching the Ginuwine Usher video. So I would be like grinding on a rock and hear a car come by and just stop moving. I like start to go by and then finish humping.

It was insane.

Paddy: I mean, okay. Oh God. So how did that even come to life? You were just like ni nineties, r and b one day, and you were like, you know that Ginuwne, I bet he's a fisher.

Eeland: I mean, [00:23:00] I love RB. I just, I love music. I love r and b. I try to, I don't know. And then I was trying to tell someone like, when you fish, you have to make the fish want it.

Yeah. Like you have to entice the, like you have to make the fish want it. And then I said, want it? And I was like, well, I could make any, I could make the fish want. And then I just had the idea of like. Like a nineties r and b rap video or r and b video. And he just, can we ask

Paddy: like how long it took to film, how many times that song played during the, like how many cars passed by?

No. So I, how many people stopped and were like, what's I, I don't know what you're doing, but I want to fish with you. Here's the

Eeland: worst part. I

Paddy: want fish with you.

Eeland: 'Cause I was filming with my phone, I wasn't even playing the music. So I put that on after. So that was just my thought.

Paddy: Is there a way that we can replay the reel with no sound?

Yes. Can

Eeland: you do it? Watch. No. Then you'll see how insane it is. There's birds trooping. There's, there's, it's a beautiful day and I'm literally slapping fish, like going like, yeah, it's

Paddy: nuts. Was it your mo? Like was it your most? Yeah. Here it is. [00:24:00] Just imagin. Here's everybody. Sit in silence. Let's just take it in..

No, you could talk.

Eeland: You could talk during this part.

Paddy: Absolute not. I'm just imagining

Katie: you like singing it to yourself kinda. I was. I was like, really? Were you humming genuine to yourself

Eeland: for an hour? This is

Paddy: insane to me. Okay. Look, just listen. Hold on. Right. Everybody here.

So while we're on the,

Matt: it's still going. It's.

PADDYO VO:

Ok, now. Eeland is twerkin' it and workin' it on the river but we're all taking it in, in silence, No Ginuwine. It was amazing...and hilariously awkward..

Paddy: Honestly, I think it's even better without the music.

Matt: Do you, do you guys find it hard to film in public if you're doing stuff like that? I would. I would never let,

Paddy: no.

Eeland: Yeah,

Matt: I find it so difficult. Even just talking. I couldn't imagine I could. No, no.

Eeland: If anyone saw, I, I remember I was like, I was. I like [00:25:00] caught a fish and I posted a picture and I was like, if you saw me in 11 Mile Canyon today, no you didn't.

Like

Paddy: I just, yeah, yeah. Did it say like, I'm sorry, or I You're welcome.

Eeland: No, that was crazy. Yeah.

Katie: It's actually like crazy how well received you can be on the internet and how bad it feels if someone catches you. Doing it in real life.

Eeland: Yeah, it feels dirty.

Katie: Why did 30,000 of you like this online? But all I, all I got were dirty looks when I was humping that rock.

Matt: I film in my driveway sometimes 'cause I live in like a city pretty much. It's hard to get outdoors sometimes, especially with a broken ankle. But I sometimes am like mid shot and I have to pause my words 'cause somebody's walking by on the sidewalk and I'm just standing there with a tripod in my driveway and it's the most humbling thing I've ever experienced.

So I can, I'm sure you can relate.

PADDYO VO:

More from the "Outdoor Comedy Is Not a Joke!" Panel, live from �����ԹϺ��� Fest ,after the break.

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Paddy: All of you guys kind [00:26:00] of put yourself in the cross hairs like you're the comedic foil within the videos that you're posting online, and I'm wondering what the difference is between humor at the expense of yourself and humor at the expense of someone else. And if in fact you're tiptoeing that line or how thick that line is, or do you feel like it's okay to cross it?

Everybody wants to talk about sleeping with their friend. Nobody wants to talk about a serious question. So

Katie: we're getting intellectual now. Um, the line, the expense of making comedy about other people, I mean, that's just kind of the difference of being sort of, wait, I'm not gonna say it.

Eeland: No say it. You have to say it now.

I say it hacky.

Katie: It's kind of hacky.

Eeland: Yeah, but it doesn't, it

Katie: make me to punch down. But you guys kind of are those people, so.

Eeland: Yeah. And don't take it. It's not like, and the same breath. Yeah.

Katie: I mean, you're like, how many of you are from Colorado? [00:27:00] Ooh. Okay. It's a

Matt: lot, it's a lot

Katie: that's tough.

My observations when I'm in Denver, I'm like, I can't tell if these people like work in finance or are like protesting.

Paddy: The answer is yes,

Katie: like fashion wise. Um, anyhow, uh, walking the line. Um,

Eeland: that's funny.

Katie: Thank you. Yeah,

Eeland: that was funny.

Katie: What was the

Eeland: question? I was just, I don't know. I hate to ask the question.

You just made fun of everybody in the crowd.

Paddy: Do you feel like, do you feel like the tool that you are using is making fun of yourself? Oh, or making fun of other people? It's

Katie: like way easier to make fun of yourself.

Paddy: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. Agreed.

Katie: It's like it's a better, yeah, it's, it's like easier to, to do, um, tech.

I don't know technically. It's kinda, it's, it doesn't also, for me, I don't know, it doesn't feel that good. Like when I did stand up, if someone like heckles you, you're like, oh God, now I have to like, find out about this person's family and like hurt them, hurt their feelings so they don't do this [00:28:00] again.

You know what I mean? Like, and that doesn't feel that good, but like, roasting yourself, I don't know. It's like taking the piss. You're just taking the piss. It's like we, it's like the every man, right? It's that, that, it's like a function of comedy is to create the every man, you know? And then you can play the every man, but really, like that's an actual like.

Eeland: Person.

Katie: Yeah. A comedic, um, like technique is, you know,

Paddy: well, Matt, do you feel like you cross over that line at all?

Matt: I try not to. I was walking around the festival earlier and so many people have come up and been supportive, and I'm waiting for that one person to come up and punch me in the face because I'm like,

Paddy: well, we were walking and I, and somebody was like, uh, hey, can we take a picture?

Can you make fun of me? And I was like, this is. No one has ever said that. Yeah,

Matt: that's not, that's not the perspective I go into my videos Right. With, it's like I think of it a lot as self-deprecating humor. Like if I'm talking about a topic I know nothing about, I'll usually talk to somebody who's knowledgeable in that subject.

Like a fly fishing video, Eeland, I'm gonna be blowing [00:29:00] up your dms after this. 'cause I need to make one and I haven't touched it. 'cause I know nothing. Like what is a nymph? What is that?

Paddy: How often do you listen to Ginuwine?

Eeland: Yeah, bro. It's a dirty, dirty little bug is what it's,

Matt: if I said the word nymph, I'd think it was something completely different, so I would have to tip, I'd be walking on eggshells that entire video.

Eeland: Yeah,

Katie: it's fully sexual.

Matt: That's what I expected it to be, but apparently, yeah, apparently it's a fly fishing term.

Paddy: Eeland, you put yourself in the cross hairs quite a bit. Like your comedy is kind of like, Hey, everybody, look at how funny, I think is, look how funny I navigate the world is, aren't I funny?

Eeland: Yeah, that's, but my, my, I I just, I always think like. My first intention is to be funny. Like that's my first, I've never wanna like hurt anyone's feelings. I never want to like poke fun. My first thing is like, this is funny to me and I'm just gonna try to explain it in a way that is, that is funny to, to other people.

But people get offended by [00:30:00] every, it doesn't matter what video you put, you could. Post like a wholesome video of like you, you know, holding a bunch of puppies and people like, I was killed by a puppy. And you're like, what? That doesn't make any, but like, people, people get offended by like it, by a lot of stuff.

And then I don't think comedy should be something where you're like, I'm, I wanna offend people. It's like, no, if I. I ain't thinking, I'm not gonna speak for everybody, but I just, I like making people laugh and being silly. And that's what like comedy should, should the, the focus should be. So are you

Paddy: focusing on that during your, you know, tight five or tight 15?

Yeah. On stage. Are you playing with the rhythm of the audience, like the feedback that you're getting?

Eeland: Yeah, I mean, if, if a crowd's rolling, if, if, if. People in here are laughing continuously and we're like saying stuff in between jokes or getting people rolling. You just kinda ride that. If it's much more like calm and like, you know, chilled out, then you really don't have to like hammer people that much.

I don't know. You, you just, you do. That's It's different from doing like digital content. Yeah. Versus like in person. 'cause [00:31:00] I make video. I make a video and I put it online and I just go, all right. It. It is not mine anymore. It's like the world has it and they can decide, but standup is a lot more like it's, it is like a relationship.

It's like however much their people are giving me or not giving me. It's like, do I keep going? Do I find the line? You do a joke and some crowds go like, Ooh. Or they go like, we love dirty, and then you go dirty. I don't know. Yeah.

Paddy: Katie, are you also kind of playing with the feedback loop from the audience, though?

It's a little delayed. You know, you're still picking things up from comment section or dms or, or interacting people at a world class festival, like outside festival.

Katie: Yeah, for sure. I mean like when like doing a live show or whatever, a live audience, it's like instant beta, right? Sure. You're getting, it's like data points.

As soon as you get a laugh and like comedy. Set a set you can, like you'd, I'd record it, right? Yeah. And then you listen to it back. It's like, oh, the big laugh was in the middle of the jokes. That means I actually have to switch the structure of the jokes. The big laughs at the end of the joke, not in the center.

[00:32:00] And you hear that by the laughs. Like the laughs are the data points and on social media are on content. it's comments, it's likes, it's engagement. It's shares. The big one, like I personally, I'm like the shares are where it's at. 'cause it's like. I think the best thing about comedy is the thing that it like makes us feel like less alone in the world.

Yeah. And it's like that relatability element. So if someone goes, oh my God, this is so me. Like, I'm always trying to write to the idea of someone going, oh my god, me. So me. You know? And, and then it's like, okay, you're hitting like a relatability. Aspect and, and sometimes like things, I'll say things in, in content or in bits that maybe don't necessarily feel entirely true for me, but based on comments or feedback or conversations I'm having in the dms, it's like I, I know this is a bit that will resonate with enough people that it feels worth it for me to just be playful with it.

Paddy: So do you think then the coal and the furnace of of your Your comedy when you're writing is, okay, I'm gonna make some type of [00:33:00] commentary about the community that's gonna resonate and bring people in.

Katie: I don't know if it's so much the community as it's more about like the universal human experience within.

These like, biking or hiking or skiing. They're setups for inside jokes basically. And if you go to an improv show and you like create the show with the performers, the jokes feel so much funnier. 'cause it's like you wrote them together kind of. Mm-hmm. And so when I put together that. We already have these commonalities with us having these same interests all over the world with biking and skiing and hiking and climbing.

Well, I don't climb, thank God. Uh, but like the, all these things, like there are the inside Jo, the platform's already there and so yeah, but the humor for me more so is in the. Human experience in it. And like I find things like fear or reactions or [00:34:00] ego or self preservation or trying to show up a way that you're not, like that kind of stuff is funnier to me

does that make sense?

Paddy: That makes sense.

Katie: Okay. I'm trying to like tease the experience of partaking in these activities because we see, we see saw, see so much epic footage. Yeah. Out of these spaces and there was like no content for the weekend Warriors. You know what I mean?

Yeah,

yeah. And I was

Katie: like. Yeah. These are the people that are actually paying for this shit.

Paddy: Right?

Katie: The epic people are getting paid to do epic shit. Like what about the people that are paying, you know what? People that are paying $150 for a fleece, give them something. You know what I mean? Like, so

Eeland: they have a fleece. They, they pay for it. They, they, they have it.

Paddy: There is, there is an exchange of goods and product that we don't have to talk about. Economy. Okay. A bad example. Sorry. That's,

Katie: can we get him a fleece?

Paddy: Katie's gonna be thinking about this for the next three months.

Katie: Yeah. It's more about the, like the human experience.

Paddy: [00:35:00] Yeah.

Katie: Yeah.

Paddy: Matt, with your observational humor, your characters are so over the top, like the, the names are so good and so hilarious. And you know what I, what I find interesting about your humor and really everybody's humor on stage is that I. You know, these things that we do, we spend our lives around, they, the, these mountain pursuits are a part of our identity, and I think that if you're not laughing at yourself, you're missing out on the world's funniest joke.

Like, if you do things seriously, but take yourself too serious. Your enjoyment of the thing is going to go in the down the tubes, and not only just you, but also the people that you are with. So is your humor kind of about letting the air out of all of this kind of bravado like Katie was talking about?

Matt: Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of, um. Not arrogance in the outdoors sometimes, but like people kinda get it in their head. There's almost the [00:36:00] word elitism comes to mind. Mm-hmm. But not like they're not, their intentions aren't bad necessarily, but they come off as, oh, this, I do this sport. Like this is something that people are gonna be impressed by.

Like, I want to show off.

Paddy: It's social cachet.

Matt: Yeah. So. I mean, a lot of things, I, I find myself doing that sometimes when I'm talking about an activity. If I'm, I went skiing that weekend. I skied Tuckerman's Ravine one weekend, and I come back and talk to my friends about it. Like they're gonna be like, what a jackass.

He's just talking about something that like

Paddy: Right.

Matt: Not everyone gets the chance to do and like,

Paddy: sure.

Matt: So with my videos, I feel like I try to play these over the top characters and people start to realize, is that what I sound like when I, when I am talking about it? But then I'll do like a lifestyle vlog on my account and people are like, wait, he actually talks like that.

This is actually no matter,

Paddy: that's just your voice all the time.

Matt: It was just,

Paddy: do you know

Matt: I reached a period of enlightenment. I'm like, wait, am I the problem? And so, but yeah, I, I would say I, I definitely try to play up the characters, but in [00:37:00] a way it's semi accurate to what I see out there in the wild, you know?

Yeah.

Paddy: So, and this is, uh, our final question before we get to some audience questions here. Um, and this is for everybody. What's the point? What's the, what's the point of the laughs? What does humor do for us?

Matt: I think it's really cool when people come up and say, you've, you like, brightened my day. Like I get some comments sometimes where it's like, I was going through a really dark time and I watched a couple of your videos and my day turned around, and I think that's like the coolest part about this is I don't necessarily get to see the faces of the people watching the content, but.

Those comments and people coming up to me at places like this just makes it all worth it. Like doing those videos, I have a lot of fun with it and the fact that other people resonate with that is super powerful and cool. So, little sympathy or sadness for you or, I dunno.

No.

Matt: Yeah.

Katie: Um, attention and money.

Paddy: Clap it up for that. Clap it up for that.

Katie: No, I'm kidding.

Paddy: Katie literally has tens of [00:38:00] dollars in the bank because of all of your likes. Thank you.

Katie: Um, these aren't even real Burkes. They're from Amazon. They're dupes. Yeah. No, I am, I, uh, honestly, like a lot of my content is born, like born out of my own torment, like living in Revelstoke and being the back of the pack, always.

It doesn't, it didn't feel good. Yeah. Like, even though I was like working on it in therapy and like realizing I had more to offer, you know, um, but it, it just felt like, you know, and, and so I, I think in a selfish way, I started creating it as like a, a clap back for myself almost. And then realize that there was like a lot of other people that were also at backs of different packs.

Um, and it created like my own, like a fun community and it now it's become like a, yeah, just a way to laugh with strangers and

Paddy: group therapy.

Katie: Yeah, group therapy. It's group therapy at this point. Yeah.

Eeland: Um, I'll [00:39:00] be at Comedy Works June 22nd at,

or, or if you have friends who live in other cities. I'll also be in those other cities. Um, same thing that's, you know, that's also true 'cause I do want people to come to my shows. Uh, but also, yeah, I just, I've been doing standup and making people laugh. It just, it also like knocks down so many walls of like conversation and stuff where you say it's something, or you make a video or something and people, it kind of just takes away the, the, the fleeting moment of like, I, I don't know that person.

'cause people come up to me now and they like. Because they watch my standup or watch videos, they go, oh, I know this guy. And I'm like, you don't know me. But, uh, but if it creates like a FA familiarity that like, yeah, that is, people are comfortable with like almost being themselves or like saying hi or, or saying like they like the video and stuff like that.

So yeah, I just, I, I don't know what the point of it all, we're all gonna die, which is beautiful. But, um,

Paddy: geez, Louise.

Katie: No, not the crowd.

Eeland: No

[00:40:00] shuhhh. No. In like a beautiful way. Like none of this matters. Like, we like. Seriously, like serious. I don't, did I surprise somebody in here? No. Like this is,

Paddy: Eeland will be at the back of the, audience tonight looking for hugs.

If everybody has

Eeland: No, it's

Paddy: some free hugs to give out.

Eeland: Just laugh, treat each other. Right. Just laugh. It's,

Paddy: it's a connective tissue. Yeah. It really is.

Eeland: Yeah.

Paddy: Well, thank you all for being so hilarious and working it out in front of the camera or in front of the microphone with us. Give it up for our panel.

And we have, we're gonna have a microphone center stage, and we also have a mic runner. Uh, anybody looking to workshop some material with? Uh oh yeah. These humans?

Katie: Yeah. Let's write a joke together.

Eeland: Go ahead.

Audience: Hello. so I have heard that comedy sometimes when you're living through it, is actually a horror film. You just add the laugh track later. What is your funniest disaster story?

Eeland: Oh, that's a great, great question.

Katie: [00:41:00] That's that's so true as well. Yeah. That's a great, that's a great question. Yeah. Like dark comedy and Yeah.

Paddy: Gallows humor. Leave that after the comedy is just tragedy plus time. Yeah. I is right now. Your greatest disaster. They asked you a question. Did you guys all just Well, I'm just like, we're all, did you guys shut pause?

Like, like they're still here. You guys know that, right?

How long do you No, I, I'm get, get

Paddy: Katie's therapist on speed dial right now. It's like, boy do i's the next stories.

Katie: I have a, when's the next panel? No, this is

Eeland: it. This is the end of the outside fest. Yeah. Yeah, we we, yeah. Let's, so

Katie: when I was,

Paddy: oh yeah, we locked the doors.

You guys are screwed. You thought you were coming in here for like a 90 minute thing or something? No. Wait, you're gonna see Lord Huron. Yeah. Better get Spotify out.

Eeland: Yeah, it's gonna be a long, I hope you brought your granola. Okay. What are you, what are you gonna say? I got put on short

Katie: term disability one time 'cause I got dumped and I [00:42:00] was so fucked at my corporate nine to five that they put me on disability.

Paddy: Wow. Also kind of soft Canadian flex That's an episode of television. Also reflect of That's an episode of television. Also reflect of the universal healthcare right now is like, yeah, that's Canada.

Katie: That's Canada. Yeah.

Paddy: Clap it up for Canada folks. That's

Katie: Canada. Yeah. Thank

Paddy: you.

Katie: That's kind of, that's funny. Like I, that is, that is funny. That is funny. That is funny.

Funny people. That's not a reason to be put on short term. Like, I just couldn't focus, I was just upset, you know? And anyway, I think that's kind of funny. How,

Paddy: how old were you? How, what was he? You guys need This was less, yeah, this was

Katie: 27, 28. So like a year ago. Um, that's kinda funny. I don't know. I might build that out actually.

There's been a lot. Unfortunately, there's been a lot.

Paddy: Matt was yours. Stepping off of a curb and breaking your foot and having to make wearing an air cast your entire personality.

Matt: It was tragic. It was tragic. It was my entire personality. I don't know [00:43:00] if anybody here follows me, but I have made it my entire personality the past six weeks, and I apologize for that, but it was a very dark time, very, very dark time.

Paddy: The fun thing is that, uh, Matt is just gonna take it off in about three days and switch it to the other leg. So that he can keep milking this thing, then it's gonna be bigger. It's be an arm cast. It's gonna be great. Yeah. I,

Eeland: I'll just say it. There is like tragic stuff where like, if you can laugh about it, not that it's healed, but you go like, oh, that's not as bad.

I mean, it's still bad, but you're like, that's. It's okay to like laugh about it now. Yeah. Yeah, that's,

Paddy: well, it lightens the load.

Eeland: No, not really, but you just, yeah, no, totally. I,

Paddy: that was incorrect. What a terrible observation you had. Professional writer and producer.

Eeland: Well, I was just like, uh,

Paddy: hi. You have a question?

Please save me.

Audience: Good question though. Good. Great question. Good point. Yeah. Thank you for, um, I'm actually curious what the first joke was that each of you told that was kind of like a turning point. In your comedy career?

Matt: Oh, that is a great [00:44:00] question. Mine was a TikTok trend. That was my, that was honestly like, what launched it.

But, um, what was it? I, I was basically, I don't even know how to describe this trend, but it was, I didn't even talk in it, but it was right when I got off the trail and it was like, think it was at a campsite. I was pretending to be at a campsite, and I looked over and somebody's eating like.

Boiled lobster, like some fancy food, and I'm eating like cold mashed potatoes out of a, out of a bag with a spork. And it was much funnier than that at the time. But that kind of like made me realize that I can make stuff online that other people find enjoyment with. And that kind of launched me into creating characters.

Paddy: Elan, when did you first make people laugh? Are you still working on it?

Eeland: I, I, I'm trying to think. I, I remember my, I think on my first joke, I, I was in Fort Collins, but I, it's like a really dirty joke, so I can't really do it here, but it was,

Paddy: yeah. Thank you for making that call.

Eeland: Yeah, yeah. No, no, I, I, I, [00:45:00] I promise you. I can't do the joke. Somebody yelling, yelling 22nd

Katie: comedy works. Some of you are yelling

Eeland: like, do it and you're like, no, it'll be okay. I promise you

Paddy: this is all just a plug for like Yeah. Your next tour. Yeah, yeah,

Eeland: yeah. Um, but I, I do, I remember the joke and I remember saying it 'cause I spent like weeks writing it.

I spent like, I don't know how long you all like, spend on clips or if you just like post 'em 10 minutes here. 10 minutes. Yeah. You just, it's, you're like as fast as can. But I spent like weeks like writing it, reciting it, writing it, reciting it, and then I was, I went up and I did it, and people laugh and I go, I did it.

Paddy: Was it scary?

Eeland: Oh, it was terrifying. Like I went the first week. And I was, I signed up and then they called my name and I never, I left. I was like, I'm not, and then the next week I went, I signed up and I was like, just stay and just do it. And then I, I did it and it, it felt better, but I was like, I might pass out.

So I, I, I remember every moment, every butterfly, the laughs, how long it took, everything. And I still have that like recording of my first [00:46:00] time that sometimes I'll listen to just to be like, oh man, you've come so you should be like proud of yourself. But also those were horrible jokes. They were, yeah.

Paddy: I mean, nothing is funnier than talking about a joke that you can't actually say to a group of people who came to hear you tell jokes,

Eeland: Katie, we turn off these cameras and y'all sign a form.

I'll do it.

Katie: I know what you mean about like the terrifying feeling. Yeah. Because I haven't done standup for a few years. Like, and as soon as you asked the, I dunno where you went. As soon as you asked the question, my heart started pounding. Thinking about the standup joke.

Audience: Yeah. '

Katie: cause I, yeah, but it was. the one that was, I was like, oh, this is the juice I'm looking for out of the crowd, you know?

Yeah. And it was, uh, a bit about women being underutilized in the military. ' cause if you've ever seen a girl extract her drunk friend from like a shitty boyfriend's apartment, like, you know, you know, this is like hostage extraction, like 1 0 1. And then I would do this like act out of like chicks like.

[00:47:00] like kicking down the door, like coming in. And then I'd be like, yes, women can do sound effects. I know. And then, um, I would like yell at the boy, like the imaginary boyfriend. Like, shut up Dave. Like you're a nutritionist, like not a doctor. Like, put your pants back on, sweetheart. Put your pants back on.

Like, and then I, and then I would build out this whole scenario of like. Like getting a girl out and being like, you know, this is like an underutilized military tactic of just scorned women. Like get, you could get anyone out of any country anywhere in the world if you just told them that it was a man hurting their feelings there.

Audience: Um, I've only done standup five times, but I always go back to the same topic of what I do professionally.

What is a topic that you is like your comfort topic when doing comedy?

Paddy: Yeah. Yeah. She has the question. Of course. they want to hear it, Eeland. Um, you have a microphone, man.

Eeland: My, my, my [00:48:00] great, my three greatest things in the world are, uh, my daughter, um, making my mom laugh and making white people uncomfortable.

Katie: It's not that hard. I

Eeland: do, yeah. Do you guys feel it right now? Someone's like, I can't. That's it. Those are my,

Paddy: I've been uncomfortable with this entire panel.

You can't tell, but I've been clenched this entire time.

Audience: Uh, hello. Great job. Um, question not dissimilar to many of the Don't spit Katie. You can do it. Um, Jesus. Do it. Take, take the,

Paddy: for those of you who can't see Katie is spitting the water back into the water bottle.

Katie: Guys, stop sexualizing me Christ. We know I'm the only woman on the panel. Okay.

Audience: Oh my God. So my question is, um,

Paddy: yeah, thanks for being here man.

Audience: No worries. Yeah. Um. Kind of similarly to the athletes who, uh, will do an objective and then by the time they're talking about it, they're already onto their next [00:49:00] objective. Um, I'm curious, uh, in your work and your comedy and your videos, you've done them, you've perfected them, you're getting commended for them, but, uh, in the spirit of growth and growing, what do you guys, how are you thinking you'll develop?

What's the kind of. People like you for this, but what do you really kind of wanted to work towards? Beyond.

Go ahead. He just,

Eeland: what a great way to say you guys really aren't doing shit.

Katie: Whose dad is that?

Eeland: When he just asked, when are you gonna get health insurance? Is what he just asked.

Katie: Who invited my dad?

Paddy: I've been watching your stuff and I'm bored. So I'd like the new new.

Eeland: Update your resume.

Paddy: That's

Eeland: great.

Katie: I don't think you've answered, you should go first.

Eeland: No, you can.

Katie: You answered. You answered the last one.

Eeland: No, he can go first.

Matt: No, that's your turn. It's your,

Paddy: this is great. Got three people who love the spotlight or no, no, no, no. I absolutely not. I don't wanna do this at all.

Eeland: Um. I, well, I'm an environmental science teacher [00:50:00] for kids, so I, I love environmental education, so I, I, I really care about the planet and I try to make teaching about climate science and wildlife, uh, access easy way, which I have a bunch of jokes about, like nature and animals that kind of lighten stuff so that, uh, you know, when I grow up, I guess I want to do, I wanna do that.

I just wanna be, I, I wanna be like the black Steve Irwin. I want to be like the, to be able to travel the world and like teach people about animals and nature and stuff like that. I also have a show called Comedians on the Fly. Or I'd say comedians fly fishing. Um, you should. There.

Paddy: It's very funny.

Eeland: June 22nd at Comedy Works.

Katie: So for me, content comedy writing, it's always been a means to an end. Uh, I've always wanted to be in the narrative space. Um, some call it Hollywood, I wrote and directed and, um, acted in my first feature film in 20 23, 22. Yeah, 24 came on theaters in 2024. That was huge. I went [00:51:00] to a bunch of different theaters that Weak Layers showed at and it was like people that, um, I had from social media that were there that wanted to support the movie. And so it's really, yeah, it's really cool. And that's now like working on my next feature and. Like my um, manager sent my stuff to like a, a casting director for SNL recently, and they were like, cool.

Paddy: Oh, that'd be great.

Katie: They were like, cool. We love her, but more, like more, we just need more. And so it's like you have to be, you kind of have to be putting out stuff all the time to have people look at you. It's interesting. It's a really crazy like. I feel like I'm pushing eight balls forward all the time, like just inch by inch by inch to try to have a fun, like a functioning career, um, in the creative arts.

Frankly, if that, if that answers your question. Yeah,

Paddy: Matt.

Matt: Yeah. I'll be quick. I know we're running a little late..

Paddy: Do your thing, man. These people aren't going anywhere.

Matt: I, uh, I will [00:52:00] say, looking back at some of my content. From when I first started, it is atrocious. It's like some of the worst work I've ever done. Um, so I like to think that I've kind of improved both the filming quality and like production and the writing process a little bit more as time has gone on. But I'm always looking for like that next thing I want to do and I've, I've kind of looked towards acting.

I've been. Considering getting into like screenwriting or writing some longer form stuff. I also wanna show people who follow me more of like my day to day as well. So I've been trying to do a little bit more like real life, like who I am as a person rather than just playing these characters. Um, but I, I, I think my overall goal would be to maybe get into acting and, and writing for comedy, in the long term.

Eeland: And, and also lastly, lemme just add this, if you are a creative person, which we all are in, in, in aspects, don't feel like you, yes. Having social media stuff does like help kind of like push you down the road [00:53:00] for stuff that you wanna do in the future. But if you're just feeling creative, just make it.

If you really love it, then just make it and put it out there. I mean, there's, it's so many like small stories of people just putting out music and Tyler the creator, seeing it and then helping.

The person producing his music or a comedian posts a joke and then their favorite comedian likes it and then takes them on the road, like, whatever it is, just put it out there. Yes, you can have, you know, a, a lot of followers, but also just, just put it out there. There's so much stuff on the internet.

Someone's gonna find it and like it, and if one person likes it, then there's someone on the planet who is like, this was dope. So just make it, just make it and have fun and, and try and just do it.

Paddy: Give it up for our panel folks. Eeland Stribling Katie Burrell, Matt Lyons. Find them online.

They're very funny. Go forth and giggle. We love you very much.

Thank you. Let's

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