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Robert Young Pelton in Borneo
In Borneo in 1992 (Robert Young Pelton)

Interview Issue 2012: 国产吃瓜黑料r Robert Young Pelton on Dangerous Places

Robert Young Pelton has traveled to war zones, been kidnapped by rebels, and tracked pirates in Somalia. Why does he keep going back?

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Robert Young Pelton in Borneo
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When Robert Young Pelton鈥檚 was published in 1996, there wasn鈥檛 anything like it. (鈥淥ne of the oddest and most fascinating travel books to appear in a long time,鈥 wrote The New York Times.) Now in its fifth edition, it鈥檚 a swashbuckling field guide to the world鈥檚 hot spots, laden with refreshingly frank and entertaining anecdotes from Pelton鈥檚 extensive travels鈥斺14 wars and 130 countries,鈥 by his count.

Currently, when he鈥檚 not vacationing in Kabul, the author, filmmaker, and sometime military contractor is preparing to launch a magazine called Dangerous, which he says will be 鈥渒ind of like what Soldier of Fortune should have been.鈥 Primarily, however, Pelton divides his time between running , a tactical-knife company, and overseeing , a website he founded to cover piracy and conflict. Pelton is also the only person we know whose business card converts to a shiv. The thin piece of metal has perforated edges that break away to create a small blade鈥攁nd has yet to be confiscated by airport security.

You鈥檙e heading back to Somalia tomorrow. What for?
I鈥檓 going to Eyl, a semifamous pirate town on the coast, to do an urban assessment for Somalia Report. We track the locations of hostages and pirate groups 24/7. We want to create GIS maps, then go back three months later, then six months later, and see if there are changes. People always talk about things getting better or worse, but we鈥檙e trying to put some metrics behind it.

How many times have you been there?
I鈥檝e been going since 2008 and have made 20-some trips at this point. Last year I sailed aboard a cargo ship from Sharjah [in the United Arab Emirates] to Bosaso [in northern Somalia]. You can hear the pirate attacks on the radio, the captains jabbering away and the Navy people saying, 鈥淲e鈥檙e about a day away, we鈥檒l get there.鈥 I鈥檓 trying to get a better idea of what鈥檚 really going on, so when I talk about it I鈥檓 not blowing it out my ass.

If pirates attacked your ship, who would you want by your side?
You want someone with a hunting rifle, to take out their engines. The poor pirates have about 500 or 600 miles to get back to shore, and most of them can鈥檛 swim.

How much has the content of The World鈥檚 Most Dangerous Places changed over the years?
People don鈥檛 believe me, but there aren鈥檛 wars anymore. When I first wrote the book, you had real wars, with tanks shooting at each other. Now there鈥檚 more democracy, less dictatorship. The first-edition had 26 countries, and now I鈥檓 going to have a hard time covering 12 in the next edition.

What鈥檚 fallen off?
Most of Eastern Europe. A lot of Africa. Places like Colombia, where FARC [the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] is on the tail end of its life. Even Peru, which can be mildly dangerous but is not involved in a war per se. A lot of these countries that used to be holy-shit, ass-puckering places are now sort of like, 鈥淒on鈥檛 go there,鈥 鈥淲atch out,鈥 鈥淒on鈥檛 go out at night.鈥

So the world is becoming a safer place.
[Laughs.] Yeah, it鈥檚 putting me out of business.

But it鈥檚 good for the rest of us.
Of course. When I began doing this, if you wanted to find out what was dangerous, you鈥檇 look at the State Department travel advisories, which were crap, maybe three lines. There was nothing. Then the Internet came along. Now everybody is an expert on everything. And the other thing is that young people really don鈥檛 give a shit anymore. Millennials would rather buy a new iPhone and try the latest cocktail. The most exotic thing they do is change their coffee at Starbucks.

A few years ago, you started offering tourist trips to war zones.
A guy from Switzerland and I set up tours to meet rebel groups, the idea being that we鈥檇 go to both sides. No hotels, no trekking. The plan was to actually walk up to the front line, with people shooting at you. But nobody wanted to go. The only inquiries came from the media.

We鈥檙e not as adventuresome as a society anymore.
Absolutely. I used to say that adventure was the cheap cologne of the '90s, because everybody would dress like war correspondents. Now it鈥檚 not even cool to talk about exotic places, because it鈥檚 like, Oh, you鈥檙e going to get kidnapped or killed or blown up. We鈥檝e lost the sense of magic that drove the 18th-century explorers.

How did you turn your fascination with danger into a career?
Until I was in my mid-thirties, I worked for creative companies and did product launches. But every year I鈥檇 take a month off. I鈥檇 find those white spots on the map and plunk myself down in the middle of Borneo or Africa. I鈥檇 meet journalists on those expeditions, and I became intrigued by the idea that there were still areas where, if you go there, you鈥檇 get killed.

You鈥檝e spent a lot of time working with military types but don鈥檛 have a military background yourself. How did you develop such strong relationships with them?
All these Special Forces guys, they鈥檙e like, Hey, when I was a kid I read your book. So I have this huge fan base. Unfortunately, it鈥檚 all old men. Plus, you鈥檝e got to remember, war is a very casual environment for me. So I think they take comfort in the fact that (a) I respect what they鈥檙e doing, and (b) I know what I鈥檓 doing.

Do you ever get wigged out?
It can get scary, but certain types of people can handle it. I call it the fireman complex. If there鈥檚 a fire in the building, certain people run in and certain people run out. So if you鈥檙e one of those run-in people, you鈥檙e cool. But if you鈥檙e one of those run-around-with-your-hands-in-the-air-screaming people, you鈥檙e not cool.

Is there any way to tell when someone鈥檚 packing heat?
People have to pull a weapon out to use it, and they don鈥檛 want you to grab it. So if you meet someone and they鈥檙e always keeping a 20-foot buffer, that鈥檚 a red flag鈥攜ou should be backing away.

Do you ever carry a gun?
I don鈥檛 carry weapons, but I carry men who carry weapons. That鈥檚 really the key. It鈥檚 like those Mexican standoff movies. You can pull a gun on me, but if 24 guys pull a gun on you, you鈥檙e not gonna kill me. It鈥檚 very cinematic, but that鈥檚 how it works.

Is there still somewhere you鈥檙e dying to go?
I鈥檝e never made it to Sri Lanka, which is supposed to be really beautiful. I鈥檝e always wanted to go to the Comoros, off the coast of Madagascar. The really cool thing is that truly wild places still exist. Places where they call sharks and people dive off cliffs. Like Somalia. I stand on the beach in Somalia, and there鈥檚 nobody there for 150 miles in either direction.

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